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		<title>Romans 14 &#8211; A question on the weak and the strong</title>
		<link>http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/2010/08/weakandstrong/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you clarify what you were trying to say, re: in Chch on the issues of alcohol and sexual immorality? &#8211; were you just mentioning these as issues of strong and weak? How should we respond on issues we are weak on? Yeah – it was tricky – I was trying to illustrate contemporary examples [...]]]></description>
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<address style="text-align: center;">Can you clarify what you were trying to say, re: in Chch on the issues of alcohol and sexual immorality? &#8211; were you just mentioning these as issues of strong and weak?<br />
How should we respond on issues we are weak on?</address>
<p>Yeah – it was tricky – I was trying to illustrate contemporary examples of differences between Christians whilst at the same time attempting to show they are not exactly the same.</p>
<p>So – the Jew Gentile differences around food were matters of gospel freedom.  You could eat as much pork as you like with no fear of it ever being close to sin.  By contrast, alcohol is not bad (indeed it is considered God’s gift in the Scriptures), but drunkenness is bad.  So wisdom would dictate thinking through how to stay well clear of that.</p>
<p>For some Christians, they decide to never drink, for others they might choose to set themselves a limit.  They are both trying to avoid an agreed danger – over indulging– but drawing different boundaries.  <strong>The boundaries are protective – they are not God given</strong>.  Some Christians will take a more conservative line (ie. a barrier further from the ‘cliff edge’), others will take a more libertine approach (ie. a barrier quite close to the ‘cliff edge’).</p>
<p>The difference should be clear.  Both are issues of freedom.  The Christian is free to both drink alcohol and eat pork.  Yet &#8211;  clean / unclean foods are not conservative / libertine distinction.  With Jesus – you cannot sin by eating unclean food (insert caveat here from Romans 14 about concern for your brother / sisters conscience; perhaps also overeating / greed!).  The food itself does not contaminate you (compare Jesus’ words in Mark 7).</p>
<p>So there are similarities and differences with are situation that are important to understand.  In both situations Paul would probably encourage you to make up your mind and then stay relatively silent on your decision.  But for different reasons – in Romans 14 – because you are waiting for your Christian brother to catch up on your understanding. With alcohol issues today – it is because you are making personal decisions about what is helpful for you and others around you – there is no absolute rule the Scripture gives.</p>
<p>As an illustration of how that works out…when working with halls students in Australia they had an annual pub crawl in the Orientation week. As a Christian worker in the hall I wanted to get to know the students, but was frustrated by a ‘drinking culture’ the hall created.  In the end I went to some pubs along the way – but made sure I was seen to be only drinking orange juice.  That was part of concern for students who may never touch alcohol – to be considerate of them.  Later on in our home we may have offered wine during a meal if we thought a person would have no concerns in this area – and to perhaps quietly model a different usage of alcohol.</p>
<p>On your question – “How should we respond on issues we are weak on?”</p>
<p>In Romans 14 terms – you won’t know that you are weak.  The weaker brothers ironically would have thought of themselves as morally superior and the others as pretty dodgy.  That’s the trick – it’s an issue of mature understanding – and hence the need to educate the conscience.  Partly that will be carefully listening to your brothers and sisters when they attempt to explain how they read the Scriptures – to hear their rationale for their behaviour, rather than imposing your own framework on them.  That underlines the value of consistent teaching of the Scriptures to a church – to gradually but intentionally work through the Scriptures.  That is something that will grow the unity of a group.</p>
<p>That’s different to the drinker / non drinker of alcohol…that’s not a weak / strong issue (unless they believe the Bible bans all alcohol) &#8211; it&#8217;s a question of wisdom.</p>
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		<title>In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity</title>
		<link>http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/2010/08/essentials/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Now Barnabas wanted to take with them  John called Mark.  38 But Paul thought best not to take with them one  who had withdrawn from them in Pamphylia and had not gone with them to the work.  39 And there arose  a sharp disagreement, so that they separated from each other.  Barnabas took Mark with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Now Barnabas wanted to take with them  John called Mark.  38 But Paul thought best not to take with them one  who had withdrawn from them in Pamphylia and had not gone with them to the work.  39 And there arose  a sharp disagreement, so that they separated from each other.  Barnabas took Mark with him and sailed away to Cyprus,  40 but Paul chose Silas and departed,  having been commended by  the brothers to  the grace of the Lord.  41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia,  strengthening the churches.&#8221;</em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;">- Acts 15:37-41</p>
<p>It seems inevitable that Christians will disagree this side of heaven &#8211; yet doctrinal diversity is not something we value per se.  We are urged on in the knowledge that unity is the goal, that Christ will bring about. Tongue-in-cheek, Roger Nicole once wrote to a theological adversary:</p>
<blockquote><p>“I do find comfort in the thought that although you may oppose Calvinism on this earth, you will be a Calvinist when you get to heaven.”</p></blockquote>
<p>On Sunday we looked at a key passage, Romans 14, on the topic of Christians in disagreement.  How do you disagree well?  You can listen to the talk <a href="http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/talks/191/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>If you want to do some further thinking on the topic, I have written an <a href="http://www.matthiasmedia.com.au/briefing/longing/5156/" target="_blank">extended paper</a> on the topic around the old saying &#8216;In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity&#8217;.  It reflects on the language we use in disagreements &#8211; terms like &#8216;gospel issues&#8217; &#8216;clear / unclear&#8217; &#8216;primary-seconday&#8217; and &#8216;adiaphora&#8217; (things indifferent) and tries to connect them to the gospel and the Scriptures.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be thankful that Jesus promises to finish the job of bringing us to complete unity &#8211; and anticipate that now by the way we relate to each other as brothers and sisters.</p>
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		<title>Monthly Prayer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s great to be committing ourselves to God in prayer. We have one combined church prayer meeting per term, but some people are able to pray more often than that. If you are wanting to be included – the intention is to gather a group for roughly an hour, once a month to pray for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to be committing ourselves to God in prayer. We have one combined church prayer meeting per term, but some people are able to pray more often than that. If you are wanting to be included – the intention is to gather a group for roughly an hour, once a month to pray for one another and God&#8217;s work through Campus Church.</p>
<p>Are you able to join us?</p>
<h2>7.30pm</h2>
<h2>Monday AUGUST 2nd</h2>
<p>Contact the <a href="mailto:admin@campuschurch.org.nz" target="_blank">office</a> for location info.</p>
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		<title>Ski Trip</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Campus Church is heading to the mountains: SATURDAY 7th AUGUST A fun day for boarders, skiers, or people wanting to play in the snow. Mt Hutt is a great mountain for versatility, catering for beginners through to experts. It also has a great central base. Transport will be convoy style and there will be a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Campus Church is heading to the mountains:</p>
<h2>SATURDAY 7th AUGUST</h2>
<p>A fun day for  boarders, skiers, or people wanting to play in the snow. Mt Hutt is a  great mountain for versatility, catering for beginners through to  experts. It also has a great central base. Transport will be convoy style and  there will be a couple of group moments through-out the day!</p>
<p>Trip Specific Details:<br />
•	Meet at UCSA car park by 7:30am<br />
&#8230;•	Convoy to the Mtn (1hr drive approx)<br />
•	Ski/snow fun the day, and<br />
•	Leave the Mtn at 4pm</p>
<p>We will try to organise cars and rides before the day, so please RSVP and to say:<br />
a)	you are coming<br />
b)	have a suitable vehicle (i.e. with snow chains or 4WD)<br />
c) 	# of seats available (even if you&#8217;ve already organised a few people)</p>
<p>Mtn Information<br />
Full day Lift passes cost: $89 (Adult), $49 (youth/senior) [note student prices no longer exist on weekends]</p>
<p>Rental equipment can be hired on the Mtn</p>
<p>For further information about the ski field, <a href=" http://www.nzski.com/mountain.jsp?site=mthutt " target="_blank">click here</a></p>
<p>RSVP on Facebook <a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/event.php?eid=111732662212200&amp;ref=ts" target="_blank">here</a>, otherwise please email the <a href="mailto:admin@campuschurch.org.nz" target="_blank">office</a>.</p>
<p>It going to be MINT (that’s right&#8230; sweet and white  )</p>
<h2><a href="http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/080906-Mt-Hutt-023_small.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-472" style="margin-left: 15px; margin-right: 15px; margin-top: 5px; margin-bottom: 5px;" title="080906 - Mt Hutt 023_small" src="http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/080906-Mt-Hutt-023_small.jpg" alt="Mt Hutt" width="200" height="150" /></a></h2>
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		<title>Soup &amp; Prayer</title>
		<link>http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/2010/07/soup-prayer/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 05:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;d love you to join us in praying together as a church. It is an important time to encourage one another and show our dependence on God. This is a time when we can look back &#8211; giving praise to God, and look forward &#8211; committing our plans to Him. During this time prayer points [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;d love you to join us in praying together as a church. It is an important time to encourage one another and show our dependence on God. This is a time when we can look back &#8211; giving praise to God, and look forward &#8211; committing our plans to Him. During this time prayer points will be given out which are designed to encourage you to pray on a regular basis for God&#8217;s work through Campus Church.</p>
<p>A light dinner of soup will be provided first. Please RSVP on <a href="http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=131371593570215" target="_blank">Facebook</a> if you&#8217;re able.</p>
<p><strong> 5pm   Sunday 18th July       3 Rountree St</strong></p>
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		<title>Corruptions, corruptions&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/2010/06/corruptions-corruptions/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was attending a lecture by a famous, dare I say it, notorious church leader from the United States last night at the University.  It&#8217;s always good to hear people first hand rather than interpreted and distorted through the grape vine. One of the university staff was invited to respond &#8211; and denouncing the simplicity [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was attending a lecture by a famous, dare I say it, notorious church leader from the United States last night at the University.  It&#8217;s always good to hear people first hand rather than interpreted and distorted through the grape vine.</p>
<p>One of the university staff was invited to respond &#8211; and denouncing the simplicity and narrowness of her youth group upbringing, she said it was manuscripts that were the clincher for her.  They were the beginning of the end for her youthful acceptance of the Bible.  What did she mean?</p>
<p>She explained (as if it was the first time it had been raised) that she learnt in manuscript studies that we do not have access to the original manuscripts for the New Testament.  So which manuscript was it that represented the Word of God?  She seemed delighted by this insight and many of the group present seemed to think that this was all that needed to be said on the matter.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t thought about it recently it would be good to consider Peter Bolt&#8217;s <a href="http://solapanel.org/article/unravelling_manuscript_truth/" target="_blank">recent blog</a> on the topic over at Sola Panel.</p>
<p>Perhaps a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing!   <img src='http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Latimer Conference</title>
		<link>http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/2010/06/latimer-conference/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rev Peter Adam will be speaking on &#8220;Hearing God&#8217;s Word: Exploring Biblical Spirituality&#8220;. Rev Dr Peter Adam is Principal of Ridley College, Melbourne, and was ordained in 1970. His Passions are forming and training men and women for effective ministry, equipping preachers, renewing Anglicanism, and good quality classical music. He has published four theological books, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev Peter Adam will be speaking on &#8220;<strong>Hearing God&#8217;s Word: Exploring Biblical Spirituality</strong>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Rev Dr Peter Adam is Principal of <a href="http://www.ridley.edu.au" target="_blank">Ridley College</a>, Melbourne, and was ordained in 1970.<a href="http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/peter-adam.png"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-453" style="margin: 5px;" title="peter-adam" src="http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/peter-adam.png" alt="Rev Dr Peter Adam" width="193" height="193" /></a></p>
<p>His Passions are forming and training men and women for effective ministry, equipping preachers, renewing Anglicanism, and good quality classical music.</p>
<p>He has published four theological books, and various booklets. He regularly speaks at conferences for preachers throughout Australis and internationally.</p>
<p><em>This is a great opportunity to hear a first rate speaker on a crucial topic! Come along to deepen your understanding and strengthen your faith. All welcome!</em></p>
<p><strong>7.30pm     ::     Monday 21st &amp; Tuesday 22nd June</strong></p>
<p>St Saviour&#8217;s,  200 Colombo St,  Beckenham</p>
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		<title>Guys&#8217; Pancake Gathering</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 05:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to be outdone by the female members of Campus Church, all men are invited to rally together for a spectacular buffet brunch. Come get some real food and chill out with before exams hit. Bring along a friend or two if you can. A small cost will be involved but it will be worth [...]]]></description>
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<p>Not to be outdone by the female members of Campus Church, all men are invited to rally together for a spectacular buffet brunch. Come get some real food and chill out with before exams hit. Bring along a friend or two if you can.</p>
<p>A small cost will be involved but it will be worth it! Please RSVP on <a href="http://www.facebook.com" target="_blank">Facebook</a> to help with logistics.</p>
<p>10.30am Saturday 12 June, 14 Inglewood Pl</p>
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		<title>Girls&#8217; Pancake Gathering</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come and relax with pancakes and waffles after term 2! Campus Church girls are invited to hang out and share some great food THIS Saturday. If you can, please bring some for of topping (fruit, chocolate, bacon etc.). Please RSVP to Agnetha or via the Facebook event so we have enough to feed you! or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Pancakes-small.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full  wp-image-437" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="Pancake image" src="http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Pancakes-small.jpg" alt="Pancake image" width="150" height="100" /></a>Come and relax with pancakes and waffles after term 2! Campus Church girls are invited to hang out and share some great food THIS Saturday. If you can, please bring some for of topping (fruit, chocolate, bacon etc.). Please RSVP to <a href="mailto:agnetha@campuschurch.org.nz" target="_blank">Agnetha</a> or via the Facebook event so we have enough to feed you! or if you need help with transport.</p>
<p>Look forward to seeing you there!</p>
<p>11am Saturday 5th June, 237 Waimairi Rd</p>
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		<title>A Bite of Bratwurst</title>
		<link>http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/2010/05/a-bite-of-bratwurst/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 04:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(&#8216;Wiki&#8217; says: A bratwurst is a sausage usually composed of veal, pork or beef. The name is German, derived from Old High German brätwurst, from brät-, which is finely chopped meat and -wurst, or sausage.) How would you like a little taste of German culture? Join us for a social night full of festive folk [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(&#8216;Wiki&#8217; says: A bratwurst is a sausage usually composed of veal, pork or beef. The name is German, derived from Old High German brätwurst, from brät-, which is finely chopped meat and -wurst, or sausage.)<a href="http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/German_Flag_Wavy2.jpg"><img class="alignright  size-thumbnail wp-image-428" style="margin-left: 15px; margin-right: 15px;" title="German_Flag_Wavy" src="http://www.campuschurch.org.nz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/German_Flag_Wavy2-150x150.jpg" alt="German Flag" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>How would you like a little taste of German culture? Join us for a social night full of festive folk dancing and hilarity! If game, come dressed in German attire! Not only will it be bucket-loads of fun, it will also be a fantastic opportunity to meet new people.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s less than a week away, so start inviting your friends, flatmates and family to come with you! Everyone is most welcome &#8211; the more, the merrier!</p>
<p>7.30pm Saturday 22nd May<br />
66 Ilam Rd (Ilam School Hall, same location as Campus Church)</p>
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